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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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for the 16th of may

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2014 richard saunders here with you with

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episode 291

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and don't forget you can follow the

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coming up on this week's show we have

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more from maynard's spooky action and

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what spooky action it is

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from maitland jail where maynard and i

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attended parakon the paranormal

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convention just last week this week and

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yes you can say it's a bit unusual for a

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skeptical podcast

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but

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however this week maynard speaks to what

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as australia's foremost

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yowie hunter and for those of you who

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don't know yowie is the australian

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equivalent of

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bigfoot

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rex gilroy rex gilroy lives in the blue

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mountains just west of sydney and for

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years and years and years he's been um

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claiming to have lots of evidence for

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odd homonyms and things running about

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here's a very large collection of those

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plaster cast footprints you see on

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paranormal documentaries let's hear what

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rex gilroy has to say to maynard about

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strange creatures in australia i think

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interested in cryptozoology and strange

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creatures and things like that

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and if you're interested in bigfoots if

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you'll find this interview an

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interesting look into the mindset of a

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uh a yowie hunter that's followed by an

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interview with mark wahlbank from new

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zealand who is well more or less along

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the same lines looking for strange

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and finally maynard talks to ben hansen

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from the tv show which i must admit i

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haven't caught up with yet fact or fake

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who was also flown out here to take part

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could have been to this year but never

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wonder if you might help out a friend of

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mine allison smith who i met many years

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s-a-p-s which was a sort of an answer to

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taps the paranormal show she ran saps

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a doctor who convention in the uk saw it

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so she can present the video wow how

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flattering is that but she needs your

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help if you'd like to help get allison

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convention make her dream come true

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her goal is less than three thousand

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dollars so if you feel like chipping in

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here's maynard's spooky action

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mystery creatures and that set me off

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consider who knows what's ahead in

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people aware of is that the australian

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bush is so vast that and inaccessible in

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many cases that anything could live

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that's why i find so many things so so

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many footprints for example of one

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creature or another because i get into

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places that no one else would dare

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is that what keeps you fired up at 70

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unknown isn't it

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it's exciting it's life's blood for me

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and while i keep on doing it i'll stay

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alive i'm sure i'm not going to die in

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i intend to be out there in the washroom

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if the end can be dramatic enough i live

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uh they stick to the textbook too much

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experts because they hardly ever leave

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is it you've got to get out in the field

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you can't do your research in the

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laboratory all the time and although it

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is hard to get hard evidence sometimes

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isn't it because sometimes you can get

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some scat droppings that people can

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argue about they're going to argue about

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the footprints it can get difficult to

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get solid evidence

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yes it is and there's no

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physical proof yet of the yowie for

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example there's a lot of

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footprints very encouraging and i've

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been able to filter out authentic tracks

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and and of course i found some myself

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my talk tomorrow

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will

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be on the

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uh well i've called it the owie mystery

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solved at last

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and it comes from my new book the yowie

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mystery living fossil from the dream

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time which we're launching at this

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conference it's on sale now and

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it's it's the work of a lifetime put

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into this all the best footprints and

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fossil tracks that show identical

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features to modern day castes

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and

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i've been able to show that there are

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three forms of yowie there's the pygmy

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type and

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certainly there's the modern human

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height form of

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classical homo erectus who is a

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tool-making fire-making homeland and of

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course there's the giant yowie or three

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meter or so tall creature now all these

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homo erectus type beings their

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footprints are all much the same

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whatever their size

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and they all wore animal hyde garments

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hence the name hairy man or yowie to the

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aborigines

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in this part of the country at least the

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name varies all over australia with the

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different dialects but they all meant

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the same thing hairy man hairy people

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hairy one and

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it was because they wore animal hide

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garments

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cloaks like the aboriginal people did in

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the old times and i have freshly

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manufactured stone tools that i found

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out in the in the forest out in the

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middle of the barangarang valley uh up

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in central queensland and uh even up in

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cape york and these artifacts

336
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parallel

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ancient ones found in java of homo

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erectus

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the main one but there's a fourth one he

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doesn't make tools or clothing he

341
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doesn't make fire it's a very ape-like

342
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creature and

343
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lives on berries herbivorous and

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insectivorous food generally and the

345
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footprints left by it match

346
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fossil footprints we believe are

347
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australopithecine i do have a two

348
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million year old skull from

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from the narrow neck peninsula at

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catoomba found in 2005

351
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and it came from

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mid

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deposits between the end of the ply

354
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scene beginning of the pleison making it

355
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two million years old i am the

356
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discoverer of australopithecus beyond

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africa but the

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there's other evidence to show that the

359
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the australopithecines did leave africa

360
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they came up through the near east

361
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there's fragments of bone

362
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and whatever they're still being argued

363
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by scientists but the hobbits for

364
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example are a mystery and they're of

365
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course from flores which was part of the

366
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big land shelf which included indonesia

367
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and whatever uh linked to australia back

368
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in the ice age and

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the

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uh evidence i believe is that

371
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from the scientific discoveries of the

372
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of the

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homophoresiensis

374
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the hobbits their feet

375
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have australopithecine-bound

376
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structure

377
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and this australopithecine yet

378
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homoerectus

379
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features about their skulls and other

380
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parts of their body

381
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back to archaic homo sapiens what are

382
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they it means that three different

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populations came together between there

384
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and northern australia and i believe

385
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that they interbred and that i think it

386
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might have been that it started in

387
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northern australia rather than outside

388
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look you've obviously got these theories

389
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and you've got it in your book and

390
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you've seen the scene change since

391
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you're a young lad at school to now or

392
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what have you found the interest in the

393
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people of australia and the paranormal

394
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has it changed how do they approach it

395
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,399
yeah people are being more open-minded

396
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now there was a time when journalists

397
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used to

398
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make funny comments about me i stopped

399
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:10,399
going on live television because of it

400
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i'm not a fool i'm a serious researcher

401
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,759
and i have lived long enough to see

402
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people more open about things they've

403
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:21,040
seen

404
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and the whole climate's changing now but

405
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i have fought hard to make the road

406
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clear for future young researchers like

407
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:35,120
me with the enthusiasm to get out there

408
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and look and not care damn what other

409
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,040
people say the fact is that he who dares

410
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,440
wins and those that get out there in the

411
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:45,680
bush are sure to find something but i

412
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,279
look it's easy enough for you to get on

413
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,959
facebook and poo poo stuff but you

414
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should actually get out in the bush and

415
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:51,360
do a bit of looking around before you

416
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:53,680
start poo pooing stuff i have fossil

417
00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,079
evidence to prove to prove the fossil

418
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:58,560
foundations of the yaoi mystery to show

419
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:02,079
there were four different creatures

420
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,440
that were

421
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a composite

422
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aborigines just heaped them all together

423
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they called any non-aboriginal race that

424
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was here before them

425
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hairy people yeah he's in this area

426
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,039
there was the yahoo there was other

427
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:20,880
names for it in various parts of the

428
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country but they all mean the same thing

429
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,720
but they just heaped them all together

430
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,120
into one composite creature they weren't

431
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:29,760
there was at least four of them and as a

432
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subspecies of them too more than one

433
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giant race more than one form of homo

434
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:38,320
erectus regional variations really

435
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in australia and i have now found

436
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,400
conclusively as far as i'm concerned

437
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that there is a link in the foot

438
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structure

439
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:49,600
and the footprints of

440
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the aoe with those creatures in malaysia

441
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all the way up to

442
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borneo and vietnam cambodia china russia

443
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,600
and the americas where you have bigfoot

444
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,440
and his tracks are identical to our

445
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:05,840
yowie and we mustn't forget the maui

446
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:08,960
howe in new zealand who like the puri

447
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,840
puri the heavy hairy devil people of the

448
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um the

449
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,799
solomon islands are all linked there was

450
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a land shelf that linked new zealand to

451
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the solomons and new guinea and

452
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australia which continued on up through

453
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southeast asia

454
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to mainland asia before the sea levels

455
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raised at the end of the ice age and

456
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created the iron chains and cut us all

457
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off well thank you very much for your

458
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time today rex and i've got to say look

459
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it's been great to meet the legend in

460
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the cryptozoology field here in

461
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australia and have a great time here and

462
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:42,400
i think we should see some more of this

463
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sort of thing that's it my

464
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:47,440
collection is sitting up there i've got

465
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all my fossil homing skulls i've got

466
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all the evidence

467
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that i've been speaking of for years the

468
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giant stone tools and other things

469
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,080
and i've tried to get scientists to look

470
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,840
at them they just will not give you the

471
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time of day

472
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,320
you know

473
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the evidence is not supposed to exist

474
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,120
it's not allowed to exist so it mustn't

475
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it's not in the textbook

476
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:13,360
and where can we find you online rex

477
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will get me and there's

478
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mysteriousaustralia.com

479
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and the australian yowie research

480
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centre.com thank you very much sir great

481
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to meet you i'm always i always love

482
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talking about these things with anybody

483
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,240
that's interesting you're a hoot

484
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:34,559
i i welcome any phone calls or whatever

485
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,799
from people i i just love you know

486
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:40,960
distributing my knowledge as it were to

487
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,440
anyone that's interested

488
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,520
i i'm here with mark wahlbank who has

489
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come all the way from new zealand

490
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auckland new zealand to talk about uh

491
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,880
cryptozoology and of course that is the

492
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,120
big thing for is it cryptozoology or

493
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zoology because the second o is part of

494
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ology so how do you say it from the next

495
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,039
let's say zoology okay yeah okay well

496
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,720
we'll go with that because because

497
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,120
already we're looking at like a you know

498
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:04,640
a conspiracy of the zoologists against

499
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,840
the zoologists and we don't want that

500
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,679
going on that's right that's right yeah

501
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,360
uh you've presented in australia before

502
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,200
about uh new zealand cryptids and please

503
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,720
explain to the wider audience what we

504
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,080
mean when we say that

505
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uh as far as cryptids

506
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just um the cryptozoology is basically

507
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the study of unknown creatures creatures

508
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that have been seen spotted that haven't

509
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:22,960
been

510
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,039
documented yet or have or scientifically

511
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recognised yet

512
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yet people claim to see them

513
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they could be extinct animals that are

514
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still being seen today

515
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,640
or they're just unknown species that

516
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,559
haven't been seen before but some people

517
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are seeing

518
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,200
themselves yeah is there an animal

519
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,799
worldwide that has recently gone from

520
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,640
being a cryptid one that hasn't been

521
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seen to actually going in the books

522
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officially

523
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oh um

524
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what they've been through the years like

525
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,480
like in the panda the panda the the

526
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,679
mountain gorillas they were all thought

527
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to be myth

528
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,880
uh people saw them nobody believed they

529
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,039
existed yet now they're recognized uh

530
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,880
that was a while back but uh

531
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not recently no i don't think so and

532
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,039
what is the hot topic in new zealand

533
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,640
obviously we have the yowie here in

534
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,320
australia and various animals like that

535
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,919
and you seem to have a primate

536
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,000
equivalent of that in new zealand

537
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:12,720
we do we have the mojo um

538
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which

539
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,039
is an old it's basically i guess it's a

540
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,760
relative of bigfoot um it's a sort of

541
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,919
hairy creature there were tribes of them

542
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,840
um that used to battle with the maori in

543
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:23,760
fact um they were quite vicious

544
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,640
creatures um they've found um

545
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:28,320
caves have been found with old tools

546
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,440
bones of

547
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:32,320
an ape-like creature um so there is

548
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:38,149
yeah very very similar to the bigfoot

549
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,200
yet they were quite short they were a

550
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,120
lot shorter about five foot tall

551
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,120
and very hairy very nasty little buggers

552
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:44,640
um

553
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,520
meat eating you know uh just nasty yeah

554
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,520
and of course what is the equivalent of

555
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,840
the the tasmanian tiger which which may

556
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,280
still be around although no one's found

557
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,559
one it's not looking good for it is

558
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,919
there an extinct animal everyone's

559
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,440
hoping could come back in new zealand

560
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,760
yeah the mower the mower um and what is

561
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:01,280
that that looked like a very is that a

562
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:02,320
giant bird

563
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,440
that looked pretty nice i don't know if

564
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,400
you'd want that back i mean the

565
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,760
tasmanian tiger is not going to take

566
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,280
anybody because it's not too big but

567
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,120
that bird could do some damage

568
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,960
very similar to the emu

569
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,480
but a lot bigger

570
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,480
um a lot more robust a lot more stronger

571
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,559
um and did actually you had photos of a

572
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:19,280
preserved claw i know how large was that

573
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,559
oh i think that was over a couple of

574
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,440
feet long it's a huge claw and it's very

575
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,640
well preserved it's probably the most

576
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,960
best remnant of something that that old

577
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,960
yeah wow and what's been the reaction

578
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,799
here today with people oh well i was

579
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,880
first on i was first on so i was i was

580
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,559
testing the microphone and testing all

581
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,799
the equipment unfortunately but um

582
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,640
i think it's been quite positive so far

583
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,480
you know i mean i'm just yeah the first

584
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,720
one on for the day so yeah

585
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,280
and do you think the crypto zoology as

586
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,760
crypto zoology

587
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,520
it cops a bit and and you know because

588
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,720
people go well you know where's your

589
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,240
examples and that sort of thing and by

590
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,000
its very nature it's difficult to find

591
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,559
examples it is a very it's um it is an

592
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,039
unknown science um but then again what

593
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,120
is science science is based on theory

594
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,039
it's about you you make up theories to

595
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,880
start with and then you just

596
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:06,559
go out there and try and form a

597
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,919
hypothesis and prove this theory so

598
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,280
it's no different from science really

599
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,960
well it's a bit difficult to get a peer

600
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,240
review

601
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,440
because i i don't think you can get a

602
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,280
degree in it unfortunately not really no

603
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,280
but it is similar in fact you know we

604
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,640
all form our theories then we have to go

605
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,200
out there and try and look for answers

606
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,640
so i guess it is i guess it is very

607
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:27,039
similar to science but and and in in the

608
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,480
uh the shaky isles where you where is

609
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,240
your favorite place to go looking for

610
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,600
new zealand cryptids do you yourself

611
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,559
when you get out there and get your

612
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,600
boots dirty um i like the you're wearing

613
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,760
um which is uh by hawke's bay there and

614
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,919
then the north island it's a great place

615
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,400
um cory mendel ranges is always a good

616
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,679
blast to get out there for a few days

617
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,520
and wander the bushes okay it's very

618
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,520
dense bush there so we've got our own

619
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,760
areas okay um what's it like uh

620
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,600
nocturnally there in those areas is it a

621
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,600
bit spooky or is it just like anywhere

622
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,960
else in the world has i got a special

623
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,559
quality in new zealand

624
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,000
i wouldn't say so no pretty much the

625
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,240
same as every other bush you know um

626
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,760
we will have there's nature out there

627
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,120
you're out there with nature and then in

628
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,799
the night time it's uh it's always going

629
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,360
to be a bit bit creepy and uh best case

630
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,080
mark warbank a cryptid of interest

631
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,360
anywhere in the world what's the one you

632
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,360
want them to find and go aha we told you

633
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,880
it was there all the time definitely

634
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,480
bigfoot i've always been into bigfoot

635
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,760
right from the beginning right since i

636
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,640
was a kid so uh yeah bigfoot definitely

637
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,080
that's great he's out there he's out

638
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,679
there and if people want to check up

639
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,360
with you online start a debate find out

640
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,880
all the information where can they go uh

641
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,400
they can go to my website it's like it's

642
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,720
where i'm from horns auckland um it's a

643
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,400
paranormal because i'm a paranormal

644
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,799
researcher uh mainly so haunted

645
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,039
auckland.com that's our website uh we're

646
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,799
also on facebook so you can go there and

647
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,159
we talk about everything from cryptids

648
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,480
to ufos to ghosts to

649
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,000
everything we cover the whole paranormal

650
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,080
spectrum now because it's been raised

651
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:47,679
earlier there where do you sit on the

652
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,320
evp i'm always a bit because it can be

653
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,159
interrupted by radio and other white

654
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,080
noise and you can have audio paradoli do

655
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,679
you think it it's it's it's too

656
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,600
subjective to actually use or not i

657
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,200
haven't seen a lot of evidence myself to

658
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799
be honest um

659
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,039
yeah i'm a bit on the fence with evps

660
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,279
we've had more luck uh using other

661
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,600
meters and gadgets that make sound that

662
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,679
pick up electrical fields and things

663
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,960
like that and we usually try and use

664
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,960
those for communication purposes and

665
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,559
we've had more luck uh whether it be

666
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,200
coincidence or just an ongoing series of

667
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,799
just amazing things that happen that we

668
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,039
can't explain um

669
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,720
yeah we found other gadgets more more

670
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,360
useful than evp because evp seems a

671
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,200
little bit too easy like like when you

672
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,880
die you're in another realm and you can

673
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,760
only uh manipulate a very small fraction

674
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,200
of the electromagnetic spectrum that

675
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,840
relates to tape heads or cd lasers or

676
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,679
something yeah yeah i totally agree but

677
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,799
then again it's another field we don't

678
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,279
fully understand so it's all just theory

679
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,799
um

680
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,320
i mean you can be skeptical about it you

681
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,760
can be positive about it but it's like

682
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,279
either way we don't know

683
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,880
so it's a matter of just looking trying

684
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,400
experimenting and just just seeing what

685
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,000
you come what you can come up with think

686
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,480
sometimes things work out and sometimes

687
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,200
it's explainable um

688
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,799
look mark warbuck thank you for your

689
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,559
time no worry thanks a lot

690
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,880
look i tell you what i was a huge fan of

691
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,720
fact or faked on every level and i'm

692
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,320
with the man that dressed up in the suit

693
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,400
and ran around uh you were the fall guy

694
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,320
from any of the physical gags in this no

695
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,960
sorry not gags stunts in the show ben

696
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,640
hansen welcome to australia well thank

697
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,640
you thank you yeah it's good to be back

698
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,720
i i lived here for a year uh i went to

699
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:20,799
uni up in brisbane and then we filmed a

700
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,159
um an episode of a mermaid yeah there's

701
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,679
a thing about your show you'd go you'd

702
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,120
be sitting around in a room which looked

703
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,720
a bit like a stoner room i gotta say

704
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,880
watching these videos and you'd go let's

705
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,360
go to alcapulco let's go to spain let's

706
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,840
go to australia good budget well we

707
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,000
tried to find places that were tropical

708
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,279
you know

709
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,960
if there was a ghost in hawaii we're

710
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,039
there you know i didn't see you in snow

711
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,480
very often

712
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,240
no no it's always good when you have a

713
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,000
lot of a supernatural going on in a

714
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,080
beautiful place and that you know if we

715
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,760
had if it took a mermaid to bring us to

716
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,919
australia that we came for the mermaid

717
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,360
and like i said you end up doing a lot

718
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,640
of the physical stunts you'd be running

719
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,240
around in a suit or taking a fall or

720
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,679
doing is that because you were the most

721
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,000
buff one there or you just out draw the

722
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,200
short straw

723
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,200
well um austin was kind of our go-to guy

724
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,600
for most of that i did do some of it i i

725
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,279
dressed up like

726
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,000
a bigfoot once and um i was really kind

727
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,000
of afraid because we're in kentucky

728
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,799
and if you wander off too far into the

729
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,960
woods you've got

730
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,600
gonna hunters

731
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,840
rifles and they would love to put a big

732
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,520
foot up on their wall

733
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,000
so where did factor factor sit in the uh

734
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,000
in the great diatribe we have of the

735
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,760
paranormal you did two seasons i believe

736
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,720
is that correct uh they called it 2.75

737
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,880
it was really three yeah

738
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,760
yeah um we came along just about a time

739
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,600
when when uh the genre was kind of

740
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,120
getting saturated

741
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:42,799
and the production company that met up

742
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,400
with me i said well look this is what

743
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,240
i'm seeing on tv and this is what's not

744
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,080
there and what we weren't seeing is a

745
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,159
lot of people looking at the primary

746
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:52,000
evidence that's already at hand and

747
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,200
testing it

748
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,320
you know and so that's kind of how the

749
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,240
concept came about and and how did you

750
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,760
go with the with the skeptics in the

751
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,600
scientific community

752
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,000
um you know we we got a lot more

753
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,840
positive feedback from them than most of

754
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,159
the other shows well uh look two words

755
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,760
chasing ufos

756
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,120
that's actually more than one word

757
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:11,120
really but uh yeah it's so funny because

758
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,080
people don't

759
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,080
put you in a bikini and you can race up

760
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,399
and down the mountain all day yeah yeah

761
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,679
so many people have said that here and

762
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,840
it's the exact same in the states um i

763
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,760
have all those guys are my friends and

764
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,559
they're

765
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,399
all embarrassed in the way that that

766
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,159
went look it ma'am because the guy

767
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,840
involved with it fox made two very

768
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,520
interesting movies um i know what i saw

769
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,360
and out of the blue and yeah and he's

770
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,559
embarrassed but

771
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,080
can you just what happened there did

772
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,679
were they trying to make something a bit

773
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,520
more credible and the the channel went

774
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,440
no we want entertainment yeah they

775
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,360
pitched it uh to them as it was gonna be

776
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:43,919
a bit different and when uh when james

777
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,720
and ben mcgee got into it they realized

778
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,799
nat geo pushed the envelope and ping

779
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,640
pong productions and i know the guys

780
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,679
over there

781
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,600
they were just a little too willing to

782
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,080
do what the network wanted and you know

783
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:57,679
there's only so much the audience can

784
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,559
take

785
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,919
but of course there is a trade-off with

786
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120
television because you've got to make it

787
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,799
entertaining and you could sit all night

788
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,799
in a haunted house and nothing can

789
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,960
happen because even if there are some

790
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,399
paranormal things it might not happen

791
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,679
that night you're there with a crew at

792
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,520
all the lights and everything oh exactly

793
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,159
and we're filming uh i figured for every

794
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,840
our shows are an hour long but each

795
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,840
segment when you take commercials you

796
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,480
know out is about 17 minutes so two 17

797
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,360
minute segments we film about 70 hours

798
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,159
of film just for that 17 minutes so when

799
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,760
people come out and expect for things to

800
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,200
be flying around you know all this

801
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,799
action you got to realize we've been

802
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,399
there for like four days and you're

803
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,399
seeing the highlights you know it's like

804
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,799
watching james bond life his his life is

805
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,840
not like

806
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,760
all gun chases and everything he does

807
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,919
his taxes too

808
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,520
and people push poo through his

809
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,840
letterbox he has a tough life you know

810
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,600
that's right that's right so it's a

811
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,679
little bit of a misnomer but uh end of

812
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,640
the day

813
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,320
these things really do happen and i've

814
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:54,000
seen a lot of crazy things and people

815
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,440
ask you what are your qualifications you

816
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,520
have a background in law enforcement i

817
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,000
do um i don't know that that qualifies

818
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,840
me to it's a ghost town but it certainly

819
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,559
helps um my focus was really on

820
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,000
interviewing

821
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,000
because there's only so far you can get

822
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,760
with a lot of the experiments that we do

823
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,840
um and looking at the video

824
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,679
and and by the time you've run your

825
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,039
course there you gotta look at the

826
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,960
people telling stories yes because often

827
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,480
you'd come in at the end and go i think

828
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,320
they might have been yanking the chain

829
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,679
or something like that and how do you

830
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,760
normally tell because they'd always run

831
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,279
on the screen a visual image as if it

832
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,640
had been looked across on a computer or

833
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,760
something or but were you doing it with

834
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,279
your ears or is there certain ways you

835
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,039
can tell the waveform of a voice if

836
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,200
there's stress uh we do use a technology

837
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,679
called layer voice analysis um it's it's

838
00:31:57,990 --> 00:30:36,480
a

839
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,000
other women uh president clinton besides

840
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,519
lewinsky is the only one that we know

841
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,679
about and how's that haiti charity going

842
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,279
you know stuff like that

843
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,039
yeah yeah yeah look have a good time

844
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,880
here and what have you made of the local

845
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,240
audience lately i know it's only early

846
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,440
you've only just come here you haven't

847
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:11,279
had time for the really wild action that

848
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,640
gets going here at maitland late at

849
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,120
night i love it i love this country it's

850
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,440
like my home away from home and uh it's

851
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:19,120
great to be back and where do you think

852
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,640
you should go in australia to experience

853
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:22,240
some paranormal where you've been where

854
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,200
do you think is one place you could

855
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,720
recommend that we could go in our own

856
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,799
country uh well i've heard a lot believe

857
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,919
it or not i have not been to the blue

858
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,760
mountains yet but i have been told that

859
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,519
there are hot spots there just like we

860
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,440
have in the states where everything goes

861
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,159
on you've got yowie's throwing things at

862
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,480
you you've got you know strange aerial

863
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,240
lights you've got sort of poltergeist

864
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:43,120
activity um and and next to aboriginal

865
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,399
lands like we do with our native

866
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,519
americans

867
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,679
you know so uh anywhere you just go

868
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,279
walking out in the bush in these types

869
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,480
of places you can expect something to

870
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:52,320
happen and where can we find you online

871
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,600
to find out what you're into at the

872
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,960
moment uh www

873
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,360
all my events everything that i'm doing

874
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,440
and uh you know the the different

875
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,679
projects i'm filming a new show uh with

876
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,080
this uh smithsonian channel and history

877
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,279
wow

878
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,799
what's going to be the bent of that one

879
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,480
it's a ufo documentary

880
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,559
yeah yeah it's all ufos we're looking at

881
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:15,120
some really historic cases and and new

882
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,919
things and actually looking at

883
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,519
government documents

884
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,960
and then seeing where that trail takes

885
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,279
us uh the majestic seven

886
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:24,159
uh yeah majestic 12. um sorry the seven

887
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,880
was

888
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,960
they started a seven they did a movie

889
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,399
they over dubbed it put some great

890
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,159
soundtrack there but yeah they were the

891
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,399
least popular of the the

892
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,440
twelve

893
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,679
great cowboy outfits

894
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:37,120
look i've been a bugger off now now i've

895
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,320
made the mistake here thank you very

896
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,600
much for your time have a really good

897
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:41,039
time in australia you're welcome thank

898
00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:01,830
on maynard.com

899
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,110
hey you

900
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,950
i'll pick something from my cart library

901
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:08,800
at random pick a letter of the alphabet

902
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,520
so i'll see what starts with that w

903
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,760
let's find out what's in my cart library

904
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,040
that starts with

905
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,240
w

906
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,040
transvisionvamp you're listening to

907
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,919
maynard on the breakfast show jjj but

908
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,079
baby i don't care this is woody and they

909
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,639
mean our breakfast show it's triple j

910
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,079
hi

911
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,000
with a today show in the states and i

912
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,320
just want to wish maynard a very happy

913
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,040
100th birthday he looks like a truck hit

914
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,119
him hi this is weird al yankovic and

915
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,800
you're listening to sunday afternoon

916
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,520
fever with maynard f sharp crabs i can't

917
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,359
believe it i'm glad you've enjoyed your

918
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,119
of your visit here we're in the the just

919
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,440
near the scenic toilet here and as uh

920
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,520
richard as you know i am i am interested

921
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,200
in alien abductions and as you can see

922
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,040
in my backyard it's nighttime at the

923
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,879
moment it's a bit chilly but i've got

924
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,320
the landing lights out here and i'm

925
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,920
hoping that these can only be seen from

926
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,440
the air you can't see them from the road

927
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,200
i'm hoping aliens will one day come to

928
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,960
visit me it's quite amazing you know

929
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,640
you've got all these lights spread out

930
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,079
through your garden and you can't see

931
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,000
them from the road and the first thing i

932
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,680
thought of when we opened the gate was

933
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,000
close encounters of the third kind

934
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,680
and they have those special landing

935
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,760
lights for those ufos way back in the

936
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,079
1970s yep i'm going to be that funky guy

937
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,760
on the keyboard that gets his ears blown

938
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,280
out and the glass gets blown out of the

939
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,829
on maynard.com

940
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:38,390
hey you

941
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,030
welcome to a week in science from rios

942
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,800
bringing you the science you need to

943
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,520
know

944
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,200
this week we take a look at some

945
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,960
fabulous fossils that have been in the

946
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:49,200
news it's the ultimate blast from the

947
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,310
a small flying reptile or pterosaur has

948
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,280
been found complete with an unlaid egg

949
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,680
named darwinopteros it lived in what is

950
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,040
now china 160 million years ago and was

951
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,680
first described in 2009

952
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,920
since then several new specimens have

953
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,079
been found including this one with a

954
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,800
remarkably well preserved egg inside the

955
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,040
body it appears that the animal died

956
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,440
after breaking a major bone in her wing

957
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,079
while still carrying her egg being

958
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,640
unequivocally female this specimen

959
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,040
confirms that the females had wider hips

960
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,200
than the males to make way for

961
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,550
another fossil from china a 520 million

962
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,720
year old arthropod called fuchsia

963
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,200
pretense has given us a glimpse of the

964
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,000
oldest nervous and circulatory systems

965
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,720
ever seen the creatures organ systems

966
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:48,880
are surprisingly sophisticated for such

967
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,599
an ancient animal almost as complex as

968
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,079
in today's arthropods such as scorpions

969
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,359
and horseshoe crabs about 50 of these 75

970
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,440
millimeter long creatures were trapped

971
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,079
by an ancient storm under many layers of

972
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,960
fine dust in a seabed that once covered

973
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:07,839
part of china and now four fast facts

974
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,069
a paleontologist in the u.s has found

975
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,240
the second half of a fossilized bone

976
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:19,040
from a giant sea turtle the first half

977
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,200
was found more than 160 years ago a 520

978
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,440
million year old giant invertebrate used

979
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,920
bizarre facial appendages to filter food

980
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,079
from the ocean much like modern baleen

981
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,359
whales a 66 million year old dinosaur

982
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,359
from north and south dakota has been

983
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:37,680
described as a three metre long chicken

984
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,040
from hell and a study of dna from mowers

985
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,200
in new zealand confirms that they were

986
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,520
doing all right until humans first

987
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,880
appeared there

988
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,119
all nine species of moa went extinct

989
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:51,520
very soon after the arrival of the first

990
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,550
that's it for this week in science for

991
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,880
more information on fabulous fossils go

992
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:02,839
to the roils website

993
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:06,560
riaus dot org dot a-u follow us on

994
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,920
twitter at r-i-a-u-s and like us on

995
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:12,480
facebook i'm paul willis and we'll catch

996
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,069
hey guys this is jay from the skeptic's

997
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,520
guide to the universe whoa whoa whoa

998
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,200
hold on whoa

999
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,720
everybody knows i'm the only reason to

1000
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,400
listen to the freaking show right i mean

1001
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:29,839
if it was up to me the show would start

1002
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,109
yeah boy

1003
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,359
well rebecca would hate that probably

1004
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,440
but i mean i'd rock that listen to our

1005
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,800
show and you can learn about cool stuff

1006
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,560
like a technological singularity which

1007
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:44,560
is someday when technology progresses so

1008
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,920
fast that it would make the industrial

1009
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,440
revolution look like a kid's science

1010
00:39:08,550 --> 00:38:49,200
project anyway come check us out at

1011
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:11,349
let's all take this with a grain of salt

1012
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,150
i have with me here mike hall who's the

1013
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,560
host of skeptics with a k

1014
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,800
and um until recently was one of the

1015
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,359
organizers of qed but had to withdraw is

1016
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:29,599
that correct i did yeah yeah sadly

1017
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,480
unfortunately i had to withdraw it's uh

1018
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,440
a sad story as last year my uh my mom

1019
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,160
was diagnosed with cancer and so trying

1020
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:40,000
to manage that and managing problems

1021
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,200
that i was having at work at the same

1022
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,680
time i thought i i need to reduce the

1023
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,640
level of

1024
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,000
stress in my life at the moment

1025
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,760
unfortunate qed was a source of optional

1026
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,119
stress that i had to drop out it was a

1027
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,800
very difficult decision to make and it

1028
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,720
was involved until about mid january but

1029
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,800
then i had to i had to drop it sadly and

1030
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,440
i'm i'm kind of regretting that decision

1031
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:59,359
yeah well i should point out that that

1032
00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,000
is

1033
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:01,599
part of the closing statements made

1034
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,960
today by andy he uh emphasized that uh

1035
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,880
qed is your vision and you're very much

1036
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,079
modeled

1037
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,320
in the image that you've tried to create

1038
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,400
so um uh congratulations because it

1039
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,760
really is um a fantastic conference and

1040
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,480
um

1041
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:18,480
we just talked before before i operated

1042
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,320
the recorder about how the atmosphere is

1043
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,400
very friendly and the

1044
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,520
and the

1045
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,400
basically feels very um very accepting

1046
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
and and

1047
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,680
for an organization for a conference

1048
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,119
like this which is

1049
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,720
at least in my opinion mostly about the

1050
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,480
social interaction yeah that's that's a

1051
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,480
really useful thing to do yeah it's it's

1052
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,760
it's an atmosphere that we tried to

1053
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,440
cultivate we've always said with with

1054
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,280
qeds that we've also i've i've always

1055
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,720
said and the you know the guys have

1056
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,560
always said that it's um

1057
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,240
uh we want to organize the kind of

1058
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,160
conference that we would like to go to

1059
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,839
uh and prior to being involved with

1060
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,200
things like qed i used to organize

1061
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,040
doctor who conventions as well and so i

1062
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,800
kind of see myself i'm still really

1063
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,480
organizing a doctor who convention i'm

1064
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,280
just inviting uh richard dawkins instead

1065
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,119
of tom baker basically although they

1066
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,720
both happen to be married to lala ward

1067
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,000
at some point that's just by the bike um

1068
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,160
but uh yeah it's kind of we wanted to

1069
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,240
invest uh to to put on the kind of

1070
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,920
conference that we would like to go to

1071
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,599
and so that's that's you know what we've

1072
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,000
done with qed um and we

1073
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,160
so we we put an emphasis on the social

1074
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,280
side we put an emphasis on the uh uh you

1075
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,200
know meeting new people hanging out at

1076
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,800
the bar and things like when we design

1077
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,040
the name badges that people wear we put

1078
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,680
the um people's full name in bigger

1079
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,839
letters in a stronger type so it's

1080
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,200
easier to see because mostly you're

1081
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,880
interested in the fact that the guy's

1082
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,560
name is fred not that his surname is

1083
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,720
jones you know nobody's really no one's

1084
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,400
going to go to say hi mr jones you're

1085
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,560
interested oh hey fred i'm and something

1086
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,800
else which first time i see that is that

1087
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,040
the name is actually on both sides yes

1088
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,960
is that that flipping thing which people

1089
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,040
do at conferences all the time it is we

1090
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,640
that that's actually the first the first

1091
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,640
year that we've done this is have the

1092
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,319
badge two-sided it's always previously

1093
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,000
been one side and the flipping thing has

1094
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,440
annoyed me for for all three qed events

1095
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,880
that i was involved in it was that the

1096
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,400
flipping thing was really annoying and

1097
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:06,240
so i said no we're gonna have to we're

1098
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,119
gonna have to look at moving to

1099
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,800
two-sided badges so it can flip and it's

1100
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,480
not a problem and so we did that this

1101
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:11,520
year and i think that's worked really

1102
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,560
really well

1103
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,400
um but we do get we get accused

1104
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,000
sometimes at qed because we have this

1105
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,839
emphasis on the social side and because

1106
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,480
the the speakers that uh that we invite

1107
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,319
along are um

1108
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,920
uh basically that they're talking about

1109
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,680
skepticism to a skeptic audience a

1110
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,359
skeptic event for a skeptic audience

1111
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,720
we're not trying to change anyone's mind

1112
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,000
we're not trying to convert anyone to

1113
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,680
anything so we do get kind of accused of

1114
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,520
preaching to the choir there's a couple

1115
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,720
of points that i think on that there's

1116
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,680
one

1117
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,640
uh

1118
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,400
one thing is that i don't think we are

1119
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,680
preaching to the choir i think that um

1120
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,680
people like um elizabeth passani who we

1121
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,280
had on stage the first time she came up

1122
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,720
with some really challenging material

1123
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,520
she came up with with things like um

1124
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,720
actually the skeptics will will blame um

1125
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,800
the pope's pronouncements on condoms for

1126
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,720
the you know aids in africa

1127
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,800
um and actually the data doesn't bear

1128
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,319
that out it turns out that what

1129
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,400
catholics do is if the pope says don't

1130
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,400
use condoms well that's a justification

1131
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,640
for what they didn't want to do anyway

1132
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,680
and

1133
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,200
they're quite happy to ignore the pope

1134
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:12,480
when it's things that they don't agree

1135
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,280
with

1136
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,119
and that's what the data shows and so

1137
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,960
it's she's she's basically arguing we

1138
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,400
should stop going around blaming the

1139
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,760
pope for the aids in africa thing

1140
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:21,280
because it turns out it's not his fault

1141
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,560
people don't want to use condoms and the

1142
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,920
pope is an excuse

1143
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,400
um so we do we do deliberately come in

1144
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,040
and challenge people with material um uh

1145
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,960
that we get from our speakers uh the

1146
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,720
other thing is that i don't see a

1147
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,720
problem with preaching to the choir

1148
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,240
i think sometimes it's just nice to know

1149
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,319
that there is a choir it's it's great to

1150
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,000
feel like you're part of something to

1151
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,400
feel like you know you're involved that

1152
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,760
there's other people who think the way

1153
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,720
that you do especially um

1154
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,160
with people of a kind of skeptical

1155
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,079
persuasion um prior to the advent of of

1156
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,400
kind of online skepticism often you were

1157
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,400
the only person who

1158
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:59,200
thought the way that skeptics think and

1159
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,240
you might thought you were only person

1160
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,400
in the world who thought that way and so

1161
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,640
you're used to kind of being a soloist

1162
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,800
and suddenly like oh my god

1163
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,800
not necessarily a soloist that is hugely

1164
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,359
appreciated by this exactly yeah and so

1165
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,800
you've been going around singing this

1166
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,160
song and people have been telling you to

1167
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,560
shut up and suddenly there is a choir

1168
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,240
well you know what i want to celebrate

1169
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,240
being in the choir because i'm fed up

1170
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,920
with being a soloist so i think

1171
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,599
preaching to the choir it's not

1172
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,520
necessarily it's not de facto a bad

1173
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,560
thing

1174
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,040
it's uh i think there is very very

1175
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,760
strong element of uh reinvigoration and

1176
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,160
and building up the emotional reserves

1177
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,160
that are required to continue some

1178
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,839
fairly difficult battles you know when

1179
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,319
you talk about the anti-vaxxers or

1180
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,520
and they're like

1181
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,640
um i think

1182
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,480
we need that energy we need to meet

1183
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,440
people and um i think marsh mentioned in

1184
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,200
um sometime during the last couple of

1185
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,680
days that one of the goal is for people

1186
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,440
to one of the goals is for people to

1187
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,880
meet each other and talk about and come

1188
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,440
up with ideas and and and you know it's

1189
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,520
been shown in the us

1190
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,440
yeah that um

1191
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,960
i'm not sure that it's true now but it's

1192
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,119
definitely in the earlier years of tam

1193
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,319
that every year after tam

1194
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,800
quite a few new groups form yes so

1195
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,079
because people meet in the kitchen and

1196
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,200
say okay you know what we need to do

1197
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,880
something they get in touch they get

1198
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,960
they find people who in their area that

1199
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,280
they would not meet otherwise um and

1200
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,640
they also meet people who can help them

1201
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,760
form the group because these are people

1202
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,359
who establish the group the year before

1203
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,520
following time and also so

1204
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
i think it's a very very important goal

1205
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:29,280
it is and it's it's one of the things

1206
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,480
that we without that we have because qed

1207
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,800
kind of grew out of our involvement with

1208
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,960
mercy side skeptics and the guys are

1209
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,040
greater manchester skeptics and so we we

1210
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,480
both ran skeptics in the pubs in our

1211
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,160
respective cities so it grew out of that

1212
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,480
environment so we every year we've had

1213
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,280
this uh this this session this space

1214
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,960
where people who are involved in

1215
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,800
organizing skeptics in the pub or who

1216
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,240
wants to be involved in organizing your

1217
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,920
skeptics in the pub can come together

1218
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,160
and swap ideas and and say well what

1219
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,520
works for you what doesn't work for you

1220
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,119
this works for us this doesn't work for

1221
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,280
us and to be able to exchange those

1222
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,680
ideas so we can steal ideas from other

1223
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,200
people from other groups well that works

1224
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,720
for those guys let's let's take that

1225
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,480
back to our city and give that a try and

1226
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,960
see if that works for us um

1227
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,800
i think it's really useful to be able to

1228
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,560
have those conversations in a in a

1229
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,640
face-to-face environment

1230
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,880
now i want to ask you about the um about

1231
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,760
the podcast yes okay you've uh just had

1232
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,599
a change in personnel colin has uh

1233
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,480
unfortunately left yeah it's it's it's a

1234
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,560
shame colin and i go go way way back

1235
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,760
colin and i were actually at school

1236
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,880
together

1237
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,359
and it was the merseyside skeptics

1238
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,119
kind of most high skeptics were sort of

1239
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,680
it was my new year's resolution i'd said

1240
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,640
like

1241
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,520
christmas 2008 i'd said right next year

1242
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,880
i'm going to do something about this

1243
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,119
whole skeptic thing that i was getting

1244
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,960
more and more interested in

1245
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,560
and around the same time i've noticed

1246
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,480
that colin on facebook had

1247
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,599
recently

1248
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,240
liked the page for brian dunning's here

1249
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,359
be dragons video and so i got in touch

1250
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,680
with colin and said you know oh my well

1251
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,640
i didn't know you were into all that

1252
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,079
sort of stuff and he said yeah yeah and

1253
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,079
so you know i talked to colin we

1254
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,839
advertised on uh meet up um and then

1255
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,280
march saw the advertising meet up and

1256
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,560
then march got involved as well that was

1257
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,400
the first time martian i had ever met

1258
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,960
was uh when you know march got in touch

1259
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,800
via meet up um

1260
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,040
and mercy side skeptics like went from

1261
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,960
there so cohen's been involved since way

1262
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:23,119
way back at the start um obviously he's

1263
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,640
been involved in in the podcast for

1264
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,319
episode one he was involved with mercy

1265
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,240
skeptics from episode one but now he's

1266
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:29,599
um

1267
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,920
colleen's with him his impending

1268
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,599
responsibilities as a father he doesn't

1269
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,200
feel that he can commit the time

1270
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,839
literally leaving um his girlfriend at

1271
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,480
home with the baby while he goes off to

1272
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,560
uh to talk nonsense on a microphone with

1273
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:50,319
two ways to point out that the moment

1274
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,079
she carries the baby with her wherever

1275
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,200
she goes inside yes so him not being

1276
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,359
here in my opinion is he's just being a

1277
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
[\h__\h] well he is he's it she is very

1278
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
very pregnant there was a serious risk

1279
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,040
that she might actually go this weekend

1280
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,319
and we wouldn't really want that in the

1281
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,920
middle we'd have to get although in

1282
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,359
fairness if you're going to stand on

1283
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,960
stage at any conference and say is there

1284
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,560
a doctor in the house qed is probably

1285
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,079
the place to do it

1286
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,599
they're putting their hands up no

1287
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,359
actually it's a this is more that i

1288
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,680
think still more the place where you say

1289
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:22,079
my computer's not working

1290
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,839
that's more likely

1291
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,280
so yeah we've we've lost colin and

1292
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,040
that's a shame and um

1293
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,119
uh i'm hoping colin you know a couple

1294
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,800
years down the line once the you know

1295
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,000
the baby's a little bit older maybe

1296
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,359
colin will come back to the show i don't

1297
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,800
know it's it's up to collins and tyler

1298
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,839
to call him what he wants to do but

1299
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:38,079
we've got a new presenter in who's alice

1300
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:41,520
um who's a a cellular physiologist uh at

1301
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,400
the

1302
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,680
university of liverpool so we've

1303
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,359
actually got a scientist on the show who

1304
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,559
knows what they're talking about now

1305
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,400
instead of just the three of us talking

1306
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,559
nonsense about stuff we don't understand

1307
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,160
um and she did a very good job in the

1308
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,400
first episode of embarrassing the two of

1309
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,559
you yeah alice is going to be wonderful

1310
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,640
um i'm i'm really pleased that uh that

1311
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,760
we managed to get alice on board

1312
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,440
although the timing of the announcement

1313
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,680
kind of didn't work out so well because

1314
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,760
uh we have a history on skeptics with a

1315
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,839
k of annoying people with april fool's

1316
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,480
jokes so we we did one episode where we

1317
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,720
just made all the stories up and we did

1318
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,559
another episode where we just pretended

1319
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:17,520
to be completely credulous morons um for

1320
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,119
an entire episode um and so we we have a

1321
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,960
habit of winding people up around april

1322
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,720
first and everyone thought colin leaving

1323
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,800
was an april fools gag and then it's

1324
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,119
like well alice is kind of an anagram of

1325
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:30,880
calling a little bit and this is we've

1326
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,079
got a new presenter alice and oh dear no

1327
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,680
so lots of people were writing in

1328
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,240
refusing to say you know congratulations

1329
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,520
colin you know hope you have a good time

1330
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,720
because they thought it was a prank they

1331
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,240
thought we were punching them no we're

1332
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,559
not we're really not if we kind of fall

1333
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,880
and foul of the podcast that cried wolf

1334
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,359
and uh it's

1335
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,920
we're stuck in this situation uh but no

1336
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,599
the people will find out the hard way as

1337
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,680
they listen alice is genuinely alice

1338
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,119
she's not calling putting on a funny

1339
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,000
voice and she's she's clearly she knows

1340
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,839
what she's doing in the in the area of

1341
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,599
science she does she does which is more

1342
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,119
than i do and it's more than marsh does

1343
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,280
i was actually listening to uh that

1344
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,760
episode um while i was on the bus from

1345
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,960
the hotel to this hotel this morning

1346
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,800
that's very good um

1347
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,680
now

1348
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,599
i have some inside information that

1349
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,440
suggests that you're a bit of a stickler

1350
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,640
for production values i am very much am

1351
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,839
so

1352
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,640
how long does it take you to edit a show

1353
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,640
where well we've

1354
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,119
it's improved recently um early on in

1355
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,119
skeptics with a k we we'd record maybe

1356
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,119
three hours of material and then edit

1357
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:36,480
that down to

1358
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,680
um uh to like just about an hour hour

1359
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,280
now between an hour an hour and 10

1360
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,800
minutes we kind of aim for

1361
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,319
um and that used to take me um

1362
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,559
it took me it takes me about three times

1363
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,800
as long as the recording to do the edit

1364
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,000
so

1365
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,680
if you know if we record three hours it

1366
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,960
would take me nine hours to do the edit

1367
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,000
and obviously that's gonna be done in my

1368
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,160
own time in the evenings and things so

1369
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,920
there is a reason the show

1370
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,599
is recorded on monday and goes out on a

1371
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,119
thursday because that's how long that's

1372
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,640
how many evenings it takes me to get the

1373
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,319
show edited so it takes me a long long

1374
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,280
time to get the show edited um

1375
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,119
recently we've kind of improved that

1376
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,160
just as as we've improved at this this

1377
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,240
podcast game we make fewer mistakes we

1378
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,480
make fewer fluffs than we used to um and

1379
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,640
so we've got that down so it sometimes

1380
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,880
only takes me two nights now instead of

1381
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,960
like like three full evenings to get it

1382
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,119
done um and this last episode i actually

1383
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,960
managed to get done the day we recorded

1384
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,119
but there's a lot of of um's and hers in

1385
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:33,119
there that i really want to take out

1386
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:34,160
oh no i

1387
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,870
you know if i say um it's my fault leave

1388
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,280
it there yeah but it's still it doesn't

1389
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,800
sound good i like i like having the

1390
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,119
polish you know

1391
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,000
um so the um did are you also more

1392
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,920
scripted with time or more planned in

1393
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,000
terms of uh how the process would go

1394
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,000
it's art actually marsh frequently will

1395
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,359
show off the skeptics with k and

1396
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,200
completely wing his story he will be

1397
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,280
talking he'll have

1398
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,119
uh more no more than a couple of

1399
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,960
sentences scribbled on a piece of paper

1400
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,880
and he'll just off the top of his head

1401
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,640
like read off his story

1402
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,480
what you hear me say on the show in the

1403
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:12,640
segment that i do is word for word

1404
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,760
scripted um i just write the way that i

1405
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,920
speak so it doesn't sound like it's

1406
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,760
scripted so i'm word for word scripted

1407
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,520
because otherwise i will oh maneuver and

1408
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,319
stuff

1409
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,839
and it'll sound quite clearly scripted

1410
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,400
too colin always uh scripted his

1411
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,240
material the comments that we have in

1412
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,839
between we interrupt each other that's

1413
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,079
always spontaneous enough off the cuff

1414
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,440
and sometimes it doesn't work and i have

1415
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,280
to cut it out because i'll make a joke

1416
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,079
just falls completely flat but yeah so i

1417
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,920
i i all my stuff is word for word

1418
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,160
scripted even like um's and urs and

1419
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,599
repeats and

1420
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,880
things like that i'll put those in

1421
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,400
because i know how i speak and i can

1422
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,160
write how i speak so i tried my best to

1423
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,359
disguise the fact that i'm reading um i

1424
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,720
think i do a slightly better job of that

1425
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,400
than colin does but i'm actually very

1426
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,920
scripted but marsh just does it off the

1427
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:58,240
top of his head because he's

1428
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:01,839
a fool i think actually

1429
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,750
hopefully

1430
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,880
so um

1431
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,400
what what what's next what are your

1432
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,720
plans i mean obviously um clearly now

1433
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,240
that you've added alice you'd clearly

1434
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,480
plan to continue with uh skeptics with a

1435
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:18,640
k which i'm very thankful for i really

1436
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,440
enjoy

1437
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,920
your podcast what what else um are there

1438
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,359
any other projects or plans that you

1439
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,200
have for the

1440
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,359
near future well we're going to keep

1441
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,720
marching forward with skeptics with the

1442
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,440
k

1443
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,319
um

1444
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,880
i i i hope that show's just gonna run

1445
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,400
for as long as people keep listening to

1446
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,160
it and people stop listening to it and

1447
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,960
probably stop doing it um if people you

1448
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,400
know if i get bored we'll probably stop

1449
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,839
doing it as well but at the moment you

1450
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,440
know it entertains us and we record the

1451
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,359
show for ourselves we occasionally we'll

1452
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,119
get people who write in and say oh you

1453
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:49,040
should do this you should do that

1454
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,240
uh we get people who write in and

1455
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,680
complain that we swear too much it's

1456
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,680
like well if you know just listen to

1457
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:55,520
someone else's show then don't it's not

1458
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,040
the show for you if you're gonna

1459
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,960
complain that we swear too much uh

1460
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,400
because honestly i speak like that

1461
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,839
that's how i speak all the time that's

1462
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,359
not emphasis that

1463
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,800
i should maybe i should point out to the

1464
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,240
listeners right now that you do not have

1465
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:08,400
a paper in front of you no and you sound

1466
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,160
exactly like you do on the podcast so

1467
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:11,920
quite clearly that's the way you speak

1468
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,040
yeah so it's uh so we're going to keep

1469
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,839
going with skeptics with the k um

1470
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,720
i've kind of got a a a b in my bonnet at

1471
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,319
the moment about placebo and placebo

1472
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,960
effects um and this idea that something

1473
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,839
mark chrislift talked about at um

1474
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,559
at his talk for qed about this this idea

1475
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,720
of how powerful placebos are and people

1476
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:34,640
seem to have this idea of placebo as

1477
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,760
some like huge

1478
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,160
um and

1479
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,079
uh recently for the the good thinking

1480
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,960
society um uh marsh was involved in

1481
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,720
producing a website for homeopathy

1482
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,240
awareness week

1483
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,000
which we we thought well let's let's

1484
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:52,000
jump in on homeopathy awareness week we

1485
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:53,359
want to raise awareness of homeopathy

1486
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,559
too it's one of the best ways to

1487
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,559
convince people it's nonsense by telling

1488
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,440
what it actually is so we you know we it

1489
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:01,440
was a good thinking society project

1490
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,800
marsh drafted me and to build the

1491
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:05,040
website for them so i was quite happy to

1492
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,800
do that but

1493
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,680
um

1494
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,960
looking at the comments people were

1495
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,400
posting when i saw this site being

1496
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,599
shared around facebook a lot of the

1497
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,359
comments were like well if homeopathy

1498
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,200
works as a placebo placebos are actually

1499
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,720
really powerful so what's the problem

1500
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,559
what's the harm so i've got this kind of

1501
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,400
idea in my head i want to kind of i want

1502
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,640
to look at doing a project to try and

1503
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,640
do some public engagement on actually

1504
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,520
placebo is nonsense there there isn't an

1505
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,520
appreciable placebo effect there's good

1506
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,920
research to back that up um so that's

1507
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,440
that's kind of a project that i've got

1508
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,119
in the back of my head at the moment and

1509
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,640
of course there's going to be another

1510
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,559
qed and that's going to take up an awful

1511
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,559
lot of time as well um so there's going

1512
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,079
to be another qed that's another project

1513
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,440
that we've got on the horizon i'd say

1514
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,200
that's an exclusive but it's not andy

1515
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:46,559
announced it on stage i didn't get to

1516
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:47,520
say

1517
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,480
um so yeah i think

1518
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,400
i really don't think you have

1519
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:54,079
much of a choice

1520
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,440
i think you know certainly i mean of

1521
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:57,119
course you have a choice yeah

1522
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,319
technically

1523
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,160
but the reality is that it's quite clear

1524
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,559
that the demand is is there and i think

1525
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,319
you would find it very difficult i mean

1526
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:06,000
somebody's organized a couple of

1527
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,359
cupcakes already and we are in the

1528
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,799
middle of organizing a conference right

1529
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,160
now for november

1530
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,520
i think you

1531
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,280
it's very difficult to say no when the

1532
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,359
demand is there and if you know that you

1533
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,599
can actually produce a product that yeah

1534
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,400
that

1535
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,559
your target audience will like it's very

1536
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:22,640
difficult to say no to that well and and

1537
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,760
we had

1538
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,000
i i worked out on on friday the number

1539
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,720
of people who came to qed this year

1540
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,400
is around double the number of people

1541
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,319
who came to the first ever qed so we've

1542
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,440
managed in the four years we've been

1543
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
doing a branch to actually double our

1544
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,799
audience which is crazy that we managed

1545
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,400
to get like double the audience that we

1546
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:40,079
had in that first year is is really

1547
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,040
crazy

1548
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,280
and i also really like andy asked you

1549
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,640
know who's here for the first year who

1550
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,799
did and one and he also asked who's been

1551
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,559
here for all four years and there was a

1552
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,839
fair number of hands there's a fair

1553
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:51,119
number of houses we get a lot of repeat

1554
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,400
customers but there was an awful lot of

1555
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,760
people with our hands down who were new

1556
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,200
people who were here for the first time

1557
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,520
this year that's awesome that's amazing

1558
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,520
i love that it's it i'll tell you from

1559
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,680
my perspective qd has a great reputation

1560
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,359
obviously i've i've heard about it from

1561
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,119
um richard and rachel who've been here

1562
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:07,119
before and and uh spoke at the

1563
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,160
conference

1564
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,079
um and i've been in touch with with you

1565
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:11,520
and with marsh over there over the years

1566
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,559
but uh

1567
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,040
but it it's definitely a a conference

1568
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,559
that has a good reputation around the

1569
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,040
world so i think you could expect more

1570
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,400
like yeah well that gives you special

1571
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,240
guests that's that just gives us plenty

1572
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,680
of reputation to ruin um at some point

1573
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,400
inevitably in the future um as we as we

1574
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,480
make the the ridiculous missteps and

1575
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,920
annoy everyone it'll happen at some

1576
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,920
point in the future i'm sure

1577
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,599
i'm sure if you work hard enough you

1578
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:37,040
will

1579
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,480
okay

1580
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:39,760
mike thanks very much for being on the

1581
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,510
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1582
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,000
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1585
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1607
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1608
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,559
of you i'm sure later on in the year

1609
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,040
well actually not too far away now early

1610
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,400
july in las vegas at the amazing meeting

1611
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,400
i'll be there racing around with none

1612
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,040
other than dr karl krasiniski who

1613
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,640
i know is known to many of you

1614
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,119
especially here in australia dr cole is

1615
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:27,920
really excited about uh speaking at tam

1616
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,319
hasn't been to tam before in las vegas

1617
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,640
although he spoke at tam here in sydney

1618
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:35,040
some years ago and i had the lunch with

1619
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,640
dr cole the other day and he was asking

1620
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,880
me all about the south point casino and

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spa the

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massive hotel where they have tam and i

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said to him well

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00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,920
it's hard to describe it really you just

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sort of

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have to be there for more information

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visit the website of the james randy

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01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,630
but for this week this is richard

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01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,920
saunders and fred the cat who is still

1630
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,680
are you going to wake up

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01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,720
are you going to say something to the

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01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:06,559
listeners fred

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01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,520
you're going to purr or anything

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01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,040
he's pretty happy anyway

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01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:12,960
for this week this is richard saunders

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01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,710
you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:22,240
zone